Giant Bombcast 01/20/2015 – On Emulators as the Only Way to Preserve Video Games

Giant Bombcast 01/20/2015 – On Emulators as the Only Way to Preserve Video Games

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Giant Bombcast 01/20/2015 – On Emulators as the Only Way to Preserve Video Games

today a bunch but outside of that I talked last week about the dolphin stuff yes got that working and it's a billion times better than I would have expected now just cranked everything up on galaxies I almost think it looks better than 3d world I would have to put them you know side-by-side but it is I mean it looks gorgeous you I spent hours making sure everything was right like tinkering around with graphics options and getting it to work on the Xbox one controller because that was the one thing I couldn't get working is the Wiimote emulate you know I couldn't sync it to my computer so weird Windows 8 thing where if you go into Bluetooth settings it says like hey enter the password for this Bluetooth device but they can't do that with the Wiimote so some people found little hacks to do that but I learned that I could just do it with an Xbox one controller so right stick for the IR stuff yeah that was the one thing I never like I always thought about yeah you could map those controls to control or accept anything that involved pointing just right stick and I'm just moving you're just literally moving the Wiimote cursor around the screen with the right stick that's so weird like a controller light gun game yeah yeah and it works fine does it on like is it not super slow like it seem like it's fact like shooting enemies with it would be maybe a little bit less you don't have to do that that might in galaxy the one thing I'm worried about is like kind of like the the manta ray surfing things so I put like the tilt controls unto Y and be on face button so I haven't gotten to one of those yet so we'll see how that works but galaxy isn't bad about motion stuff so I've been able to play you know I'm like 9 or 10 shines in and you know like the shake thing that you have to do all the time I'm sorry nap to bounce 9 or 10 what stars stars thank you 9 or 10 stars yes oh sorry of thing about that other great Morgan but I've got the shake thing is just X so to extend my jumps I just have to hit X instead to make a dumb thing okay yeah like all those all those waggle inputs were just a single like effectively a single input anyway right yeah yeah as well put them on a button and it's so weird cuz like I haven't played any you know I used to do a lot of emulation stuff with like NES and Super Nintendo but I never went beyond the 16-bit era with that so I haven't like savestates and stuff for a you know 3d relatively recent Mario game is is new to me I'm trying not to use it with all this is work like does everything is everything like this is probably ancient in history but the last time I looked at dolphin they were like there were these weird little caveats like Oh Mario have any pupils and the cutscenes are open like you know there used to be stuff like that and like I guess galaxy for a long time the music would cut out but they've since fixed that okay and it is basically all the time the only thing that happens is sometimes when the star bits come down like the asteroids and the shatter and a bunch of star bits come out there's a little bit of slowdown just until the star bits settle down but outside of that man it just looks so fucking good it's one of those things like you know like it's all fine and good for like playing games doing whatever but like if we look at kind of the emulation and and what it's real role is is like this is how we're gonna preserve games well beyond their shelf life this is this is how these digital only games that are divided it's unfortunate because it's part of it and you know is what we look at now is piracy we will later look on as like well that's the only way to see this really super obscure thing and preserve this this super obscure thing and it's awesome that so many different people are like basically volunteering their time to like develop emulators and and get this stuff along and you know I was like playing the newer stuff on it I think it's always like it's it's always such a gray area and playing this stuff seems even extra greater because it is still so recent yeah as he was talking about this stuff like I bought about ready Mario Galaxy 2 on the Wii U because they have it on sale right and then I was sitting here like oh and technically bought it there is that entitle me to a license to play it on other things like probably not no no I mean legally probably not but like you know when I've got the actual disc of Mario Galerie sitting it's yeah everyone has to draw their own lines I mean yeah not here to say like let's be the cops but you know that stuff is always so cool and and fascinating actually over the weekend played a game called mudpies which was on the Atari ST what is my advice so it's a game in which you are a guy and there are a bunch of evil clowns attempting to get you and you have to fling pies at them sounds familiar yeah it's it's kind of a clone of foodfight which was a classic arcade game and yeah I don't know I wanted to see some mud pies because people in the comments of some videos were putting we're talking about mud pies oh my gosh probably see what this mud pies dance all about because this is not something that I had heard of before and yeah sure enough that's that's a pretty decent food fight clone but you know it's like stuff like that would be totally lost a time yeah who the fuck cares about mud pies that's not coming out on like XBLA pretty dark reboot but pies HD is coming any day now these fucking clowns are they have it out for you yeah you gotta watch out these fuckers yeah so just like you know being able to just kind of revisit all this different stuff and and do it with relative ease is nice as well but you know just being able to preserve you know all these rotting fucking eeproms and it was like different ROM chips and stuff that are just you know all these cps 2 boards that capcom put out that all have batteries on them that eventually die and destroy the board right unless you very specifically know how do you know if they didn't decrypt it they didn't brute-force fucking decrypt cps two years ago so they could fucking put it in emulators and stuff like that sure would to kind of be gone or would be dwindling in a way so it's it's great that that stuff gets preserved it's just it does put us in this weird spot where like it's getting preserved but it's preserving pretty quickly yeah you know I don't know not to make this conversational highfalutin but if you look at like the early days of film like the ton of that stuff disappeared you don't like there tons of pieces of film that are just lost a time now right and I feel like you know that like the the number of games we lose to time if you look at what's available now and then being emulated now and stuff like that like it's it's a relatively small percentage of the overall whole and it's a lot of stuff that's like where you know it's if it's gonna be an online only game that requires someone to begin running a service you know that gets difficult but not impossible you have cases where you have like the the BS stuff the thus nest satellite stuff in Japan this tell you it's a tell view stuff where like it was synced up with like certain times of the day or des broad key that were broadcasting the program she'd be playing The Legend of Zelda and the music would be coming in off the alight and there would be audio coming in off there that tied into the story of the game and another people out there trying to reconstruct that as best they can well in in some different ways which sounds gargantuan but amazing like it'd be great to be able to see that stuff I remember you know you look you see all those magazines back then you look at like you know when they were talking about like oh this is a satellite system maybe it'll come to the u.s. you know I figure out their own legends of Zelda game what the fuck is that about like I'd wanted to see that shit so it'd be nice to be able to see that shit actually play that thing I have done that the BS Zelda yeah yeah played it is it based on the Link to the Past is it the same if it's right whatever I think it was more like original one like the original game but with updated sprites I think the visuals are like Link to the Past but I think it's more like the original game it's been like 10 years since I played it but yeah yeah and and even then like what you were able to play 10 years ago was just a fraction of it because like that game like it like I said it had the time of the day you know your stuff kind of with the satellite broadcast all these other synced up stuff so like what they hacked together to let people play it on some emulator or something is not not the same what it's supposed to be so if they get closer like I should check in on that and see if there are people still making progress on that because I haven't looked in a while but yeah that stuff's always really impressive to me just to be able to have access to some of that stuff years and years and years after the fact yeah I just I just became aware of mess over the last week which people don't know is basically a console equivalent of MAME right basically like it's basically just like an attempt to collect emulation poor's for like every console you can think of and the one thing yeah consoles and computers and stuff like that yeah and it's like it's crazy to think if you I mean obviously as you're getting into shady territory but if you're too if you're to go out and collect ROM sets like full ROM sets of every one of the consoles represented in that thing like you've basically got a an entire like museum to the history of video games like sitting right there yeah I mean well you know and they've got the Apple 2 you know computers are better emulated elsewhere outside of mess like mess is not perfect I don't know that mess actually emits the Atari ST at all right now there are separate emulators that do but you know yeah there's a ton of stuff you can see that way you know the x68000 being able like look at Mike or you know just like even just be able to see you know MSX metal gear right which I guess they did eventually sell and that's the kind of the other catch with this stuff is a lot of times companies raid their own back catalogue and resell that stuff and then it makes the emulation aspect have it feel even a little more gray olive oil of what that points not even gray yeah you know like there's nothing about it that's gray there but it's great to know that this stuff is is getting preserved I think that's the thing when you know people talk about oh aren't you worried about modern digital games and and all this stuff getting you know going away like I'm kind of confident that people will figure it out someday right and at a certain point just like with you know like long-lost film being uncovered like at a certain point people care less about the ownership rights and that aspect of it yeah as time insurer and more the just the fact that it exists still you know like they're just happy that somebody managed to preserve it right yeah when we get to a point where there are no Xbox 360s left someone will have figure that shit out right right um even though like the original Xbox has not been emulated well at this point and I guess someone recently got a ps3 game running well super slow but it's like kind of first first results that are not just a homebrew app or something like that so they like that stuff yeah it's always crazy how aggressive they are with that stuff it's like oh it's only one generation removed from the current one so let's get going on you know different teams have different levels of restraint like MAME used to have I mean you know keep mind the main projects been around for a long time but there were still arcade games coming out and there was still MAME so you'd have a situation where like King of Fighters 2000 was coming out and the Neo Geo was incredibly well emulated so you had the situation where like you know if like you could spam as open-source people would go out there and compile their own versions that enabled these drivers for these recent games so the main team would up say like okay in the build that we distribute we are not going to include any game that is less than a year old which is you know everyone s draw their own line you know and that was the one that they drew but you would always you know it was actually probably like from the outside looking in like the most tumultuous time for MAME because there was so much interest surrounding it purely from people that wanted to play new arcade games and by and large it seemed like the people that were working on Maine were like fuck you I'm trying to get roadblasters to run right I don't give a shit about your fucking pirate bullshit stop fucking using our thing go to the arcade yeah basically and and there was a lot of stuff like that around see ps2 games when that was you know like the the fighting games and stuff like that definitely attracted a very different audience Pokemon also you know there's there's a lot of you can get a lot of viruses by typing free Pokemon oh you see or whatever into a search engine these days oh sure don't know where that Pokemon has been no you do not it is too shiny yeah but that stuff super interesting to me like the all the dolphin stuff yeah like like I personally don't really care enough to run that sort of stuff it's too recent like it's just I'm not sure you know making me want to see it though it makes me want to do it yeah you see it you see it in motion you see the art and stuff like it was it was seeing that before the Wii U was out I think was the first thing of just like fuck man if Nintendo had a console that would spit out this high resolution that would be amazing so like you know it was like a precursor to seeing like 3d world and stuff like that when you go like yep sure enough this art style works really well when it's really sharp oh yeah like the Mario Kart a replays and stuff those characters the worlds are awesome yeah you try any other games on there besides Mario Galaxy no I'm just working on that after that I'll probably maybe tried Twilight Princess I've always wanted to do the GameCube version and that would be way easier to map to an Xbox controller obviously yeah although like I said you don't get the native widescreen yeah yeah you know I'm fine with that as long as there's a super high res or whatever that's weird to me though because like wind waker you could hold and be was one of those things where it's like yeah that'll be one more thing that only the Wii version has yeah I guess or give a then I think they only shipped like they ship a pretty small number it was a yeah they sell for a lot still yeah I remember yeah I want to say they only shift a few thousand copies of that because it was also you know there was also the launch game for the week I guess that's a gray area too cuz like I own it on Wii right but I want to play the game for you but I mean what is there in that game that needs the Wii Remote any of the sort right that's just a button like just like you're doing with Mario yeah yeah button I like is there anything that's like it heavier think the whole world is flipped I think it was one because they made him left handed or right or you know he's right-handed in the Wii version but me traditionally left-handed right it's not what it is yes things yes huge Zelda fans like it's real serious to them and flick not blue yeah I just I don't give a shit what hand link holds a sword after man plays all the game same but yeah I want to say that you could like aim the bow and hook shot and things like that with the IR you should look into it it might still be possible on a regular controller okay yeah I mean if it's sixteen by nine that would obviously be preferable interesting can of worms you've opened yeah yeah but man it looks I tweet a sticker borders but that's the thing because I've played very little galaxy and no galaxy to so it's like if I were gonna play them I might as well play them in on the ideal format right that's it's real good